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Impact Socket set 14pcs. Very informative and happy to see the way you did your testing on the video. Your work is greatly appreciated!. We would expect some variation of 50 RPM as you had mentioned, but not to See that the Hitachi changed from down to , Delta jumped from to , Rigid from to No too terrible.
Lots of data… Good overall presentation though for use to make informed decisions. Just in time!!! My Sears Craftsmen portable saw died on me last week. It was only 12 years old with minimal use. It was a nice saw with a nice sized table, not heavy, and a stand that separated and folded like an accordion.
Unfortunately, as it turned out, the gear teeth on the worm drive had worn down to the point where the saw started slip and whine. Now that Sears is defunct Canada , I have no other option than to replace it due to no parts being available. That said, I have been looking for that ideal replacement saw that will hopefully take me further down the road than the Craftsmen, and a unit that will do what I need it to do. This review could not have been found at a better time.
I will take the results that were achieved and use them as a measurement in purchasing a new one. Thanks for the time spent on conducting this testing and review. Very much appreciated! Lastly, for lots of guys they are transitioning to track saws for work that requires a really precise cuts or they cut critical pieces in the shop. Thanks for the feedback.
Did you have any problems with that or do you have any insight into why reviewers are claiming this problem with the saw? I will tell you that all jobsite table saws use light weight tables that are NOT machined cast iron like shop saws.
Most of the jobsite saws are a light weight cast aluminum top, and NOT machined flat. So there are tolerances in the manufacturing that make it impossible to get a really flat surface. If you need a cut that precise on a job then there are other better approaches including track saws and even pre-cutting materials in the shop.
Thank you for your response. It is a tiny garage which we use for storage so I need a saw I can store there but will be doing the actual cutting in the driveway so I have to move it out there to cut, then store it back in the garage in a tight space. I had one for years until I upgraded to a unisaw. I put it on a mobile base and it was great. It has the accuracy of a cast iron table, a great fence and folds up somewhat be like these jobsite saws do.
The safety value of the sawstop is worth the price difference. I believe there are errors in your RPM computation charts. I have a couple questions about your methods and precision. The no-load rpms for the different saws were very different from replicate to replicate for the three different materials. With that amount of variability in the no-load speed, I wonder how precise any of the measurements were under load?
I see three categories at least. Also in one of the tables above, one of the saws was given a decibel score of 1, while the text indicates none of the saws got a one because they all require hearing protection. Jason — Thank you along with several others for pointing out this issue. We in fact had some numbers mixed up in the spreadsheets for the no-load speed.
Well done review. I have two questions: 1 cut quality — I know blade choice can be a big factor, but was there any difference in cut quality? When does blade runout become a factor? Would a strong motor make up for slightly more run out? Does the momentum of the blade solve that issue while cutting? Also, how do you fix it? Is it the the bearings, or can it be adjusted? Also, you can buy blade stabilization plates, does that help?
We only tested them using all new blades from the same manufacturer to eliminate the blade performance. Blade runout really depends on the tolerance you need. Can it be adjusted? Hi Todd, To you and your team, this was a great review. If this question has already been addressed, please forgive me. For each of the sections tested, I. Table flatness, miter to blade, miter to fence, etc. Also, you answered a guys question, who was new to woodworking, saying these are job site saws and not for woodworking, and to get a contractor saw.
I am looking to use one for furniture, cabinets, shelving, etc. They have light weight tables cast aluminum, thin plate tops.
A contractor saw is a bit smaller in footprint than a cabinet saw, slightly lighter, and works well on a mobile stand. For brute production, lots and lots of rough work, it looks like the DeWalt or Skilsaw is your best bet.
Mike — Great feedback. Very thorough I especially appreciate the focus on accuracy and run out. Although, I wonder what the purpose of the coating is on all the table tops?
Core Millwork perhaps? All of the tops are lighter weight materials like cast aluminum and not cast iron. They really need a coating. I appreciate the response but I seriously doubt that. Mike 30 year old Makita has an aluminum top and is still in service without issue just like my 20 year old Bosch.
I highly doubt the sprayed coating is tougher than the material under it. These cast aluminum tops that they are all using is an effort to reduce weight. Even my older Bosch saws that are over 15 yrs old have a surface similar to these saws today. I think it is an interesting fact contractors buy the saw and set it up at beginning of the job and just use it. For that purpose, how durable and easy to setup the stand.
How powerful for chugging through sheet goods and non-precision work. How well does it handle getting rained on. The precision tests, were an interesting start. Then, should be followed up with a precision setup.
Then, you can give a review which makes sense to an on-site precision built-in construction or a homeowner using for precision woodwork without enough room for a cabinet saw. If the blade is tilted to 90deg times, does it always go back to 90? Does the rest of the setup stay in place? Does the blade height creep? Do the trunions flex and cause un-even cuts? What about design? Are the miter slots T-slots so I can use an incra-miter guage or t-slot based feather boards?
The reality is we have full time jobs as contractors not as engineers in a testing lab. We try to develop tests that we feel would be important in our decision making process on selecting a tool. Are those tests what you might be interested in?
I feel we did provide information on power by evaluating several material types and how the saws reacted with blade speed and amp draw. Although I think the above comment was a bit harsh.
And am very happy with the depth you have gone to, I would also love to see a followup video with the precision on these saws after having set them up and used them several times. Great job and thanks!!!! Thanks Vince….. Just not at all plausible. A great series of tests and article. I read the entire article and all the comments. I recently purchased an older poorly maintained brick building from around which I am planning to fix and build an apartment in for myself, nothing fancy.
The rest of the space will be an electronics hobby workshop. In the article it mentions the flatness, as do many reviews at the HD website. In some cases people who bought the saw returned it because of the flatness issue. It seems to be hit or miss on the flatness one might get in any given table, a random factor.
I looked at the Delta Unisaw that you referred to in one of the comments, however it seems to be in a different, much larger category. As far as I could tell from reading the article, the flatness of the table is built in to the particular table and can not be calibrated out, is that correct? As I am a homeowner and can take time to make cuts free of commercial pressure rapidity of adjustment is a secondary issue, accuracy is probably my biggest concern.
I would anticipate buying a saw using it carefully and not use it up as you mention you do when using these type saws at a jobsite. Any comments are appreciated! David — Great questions. Ripping down trim, cutting flooring, ripping framing materials, things of that nature. There are two extremes, large cabinet saws like the Unisaw, and then small portable saws like these.
They are also priced in the middle of the two other categories. This might be a better option for you. Todd, thank you for the answers, and the link, I clicked and took a look at that Jet saw. The projects I anticipate using a saw for probably fall in the realm of basic carpentry projects. I want to put a french door in a hallway to divide the hall for heating purposes. I may put down a laminate floor in one room, and I need to convert a large closet into a room that is suitable for putting a gas water heater in.
With modern venting codes that is going to include moving a non-bearing wall. At this same time I am going to replace the steel sheet metal shower stall with a modern stall. The same with a new apartment I would want to have built, I may have to build it myself for the same reasons. That project would involve putting up stud walls, doorways, a bathroom and a kitchen.
There would be some trim work of course but the original building is very sparse and there would be little work that needs to be matched. I may wheel the saw outside to be able to cut out there when practical to limit dust inside the structure. Thanks again for the tests and your input, it has been a useful education! Hi, Thanks for this video and the work you all put in to devising the excellent methodology and running the extensive tests.
Unfortunately, this model is not available here. However, I can only find converters at this wattage that convert to and output V. If I used one of these converters, would it significantly underpower the saw or would it work more or less as described? Paul — Great question. My guess is it would be fine. Very thorough review, thanks. I am a diyer, not a pro. In Canada our prices our much different. Is the Rigid a bad saw? Should I get the smaller Bosh or dewalt over the bigger Ridgid?
So my question would be other than the ability to create a flatter surface. Which table saw was able to be perminately adjusted for accuracy?
The ability to level table saws was a question I also had, but well not every one considers that to be a significance. The combination of saw stop for its accuracy and safety, with skill saw power or performance and wheels, Makita for its hight adgustability.
I , and the price of the Hitachi I think we would have the perfect table saw. Frank — Like most things in life if we could take the best from each and make our own it would be great!
As far as flatness of course non can be adjusted for that. Ridgid is correctly ranked last, bot for more reasons that is stated in this article. Only after I complained to the store manager did they do anything about the problem, by replacing the saw with a new one. Even though I requested a repair, they swapped the saw, and now Ridgid refuses to honor the Lifetime Service Agreement on the replacement.
And now, you guessed it, the motor is failing in the replacement saw. This is the fourth Ridgid product that I have purchased, and all of them were defective.
If you are a professional tradesman, I recommend never purchasing a Ridgid product. This is really great article to know about portable table saw.
I ended up getting the Sawstop Pro the newer model because safety was of paramount importance. But as it happens it is a fine performing saw. The saw was pretty well calibrated out of the box but I fine tuned it a bit getting the blade to miter slot distance to within. And the adjustments are very easy to make and effective. Excellent manual; very little assembly required.
The zero clearance throat plate was already cut for the factory blade.. Fence is very good; miter slots are perfectly uniform. It may not be a contractor or cabinet saw but it sure cuts mighty fine.
What a sea change from that Ridgid saw which I could never get quite square. But what price safety? I ended up buying the SawStop Jobsite Pro the newer model primarily for safety reasons.
But, putting safety aside, it also performs very well. Maybe they tightened their process after reading your review. I realize this is an older article, but felt compelled to share my thoughts. I have owned both Dewalt and Sawstop Jobsite saws. Remove the zero clearance inserts on both saws, and then tilt the blade back and forth.
The Dewalt feels like a toy. Maybe I am biased, I have been using the Swastop JSS, and a Sawstop 3hp Industrial Cabinet Saw in my home shop for a while, and have grown to appreciate the fit and finish, and the robust, overbuilt construction of Sawstop products.
At the end of the day, you get what you pay. The Dewalt seems fine for rough work, and the Hitachi seems like a great option for the homeowner on a budget. Thanks for a great article guys. I appreciate all your hard work on this.
Looking forward to reading more of your stuff. I recently bought the Hitachi now Metabo saw, set it up, and wanted to get a dado insert. I could not find one online, called Metabo, who referred me to the retailer, who in turn referred me back to the manufacturer. It has not been used yet, but I plan to return it because of that. Hey Mr Rob I was wondering if you can help me here on a few things.
I for sure want to start by saying I appreciate all the time and effort yall did to do all of this and the other tool test.
I am not a pro at all and just a DIY I guess. I have been looking at a few of these saws and I guess some has newer models so to speak. The ones I am looking at are these the Bosch The dewalt I want to say that I am not to swift to understand alot of these numbers at all so I just have to try to do the best I can so what I am wondering is about the soft starts.
I see some has them and some dont. I dont have the best of wiring so I need a soft start I guess to say cause the lights dim some when I turn my other saws or drill press on. I am liking the MeteboHT but, the folks are making me rethink the deal about customer service and the units with issues with start ups.
The Bosch seems to be a good saw with it as well but, short warranty??? Al but kinda got me liking it cause I have some of their products so far so good and the fence O like for sure on them-my concern is them not having the soft start.
Now the last is the Skillsaw I like the idea of the worm drive and with it being 49lbs. Anyway I hate to ask but just need a little help understanding some of this. Yeah I had no idea about so much info on these saws. I have like dewalt drills and a few sanders and things and have no had any problems yet but, i dont use them everyday and I guess I was trying to think if the saws would stand up ok from them as well.
I just would like to have a saw to use around the house but, dont mind spending a few extra dollars to get a good one. I did notice that some of the saws I was looking at on Amazon offered a extended warr for like I just wonder if the bosch will be a good deal even though they only have one year? Is any saws made in china? From what I read I seen that the ones made there is better than the ones in japan.
I may have this backwards-lolo. Kenny — Buying tools sure can be confusing and the options can make your head spin. Soft start motors are definitely nice if you have less than ideal power supply. Did I somehow miss it?
Paul — Thanks for the catch on the edit! Heck most of us are now running some of these even smaller battery operated table saws because they are so darn portable. Paul — Good question. Most of these portable table saws are built around a motor very similar to a circular saw. These portable saws are running around 2 hp, while a shop saw is running hp, some even more.
Really appreciate the in-depth evaluation on these saws. It really helps inform my decision for a new jobsite saw without having a product bias or agenda to push one brand over another. Well done! Thanks for the excellent review. I just bought this saw based mostly on its 1 overall ranking. BUT… this saw has a couple of design flaws that should instantly and immediately disqualify it if you want to do anything more than rough ripping, and I mean ROUGH.
There is little load on the height adjustment mechanism and without any way to lock it in place, the vibration of the saw causes the blade to slowly roll back down as you cut. There is no way to lock the rip fence to the frame.
The fence lock only poorly locks the rack and slides to the table. The fence itself just sits loosely on top of the rack and there is no lock to secure it to the rack, at all. The only thing that prevents sideways motion of the fence relative to the rack and frame is a sloppy slot that fits over a pin on the front and back slides. There is no way to adjust this.
Again, no way to adjust this. For the kind of work I do, this might as well be a mile. The only way I can use this saw is to use speed clamps to clamp the rip fence to front and back of the table.
In my mind, the most important design feature of a table saw is that everything must lock down tight so you can get a good repeatable cut. Scott — Thanks for sharing your observations. How long ago did you buy it? I wonder if something changed? HI, thanks for your quick response. Just got it a week ago. The main problem is that the rip fence just sits on top of the slides and is only prevented from moving laterally by a couple of stamped steel hooks that drop over pins keyed into T-slots in the slides.
After I discovered the problem I went back to Lowes and checked the display and it has the same issue, also checked a couple of other Lowes displays, all same. Aside from this issue, I do like the saw and decided to keep it. Hello, Watched your video and read through your findings.
Thank you very much for conducting such a thorough review on the saws involved. I know that it has been a while since the review but wanted your honest opinion between the Bosch and Dewalt. Putting the findings aside, Which one would you prefer for construction as far as accuracy and ability to cut a variety of materials? I am a general contractor and move my saws from site to site and have had the previous model of the Bosch, which I love.
With all the information on the DeWalt coming out, it has made me think about switching to their saw. Anyways, that aside, please let me know which one you prefer of those two and why if you have a chance. Thank you again for your amazing review. For your next table saw shootout, I highly Sawstop Contractor Table Saw Youtube suggest weighing table saw flatness higher than other measures of accuracy.
Blade and fence squareness can be adjusted, but not table flatness. The only course of action for an out-of-flat top is exchanging it for a new one assuming its still under warranty when you catch the problem.
Also, you ought to include a test of how parallel the miter slots are to eachother. Paul — Thanks for sharing your thoughts. For me personally, if we need a very accurate cut, we might use a track saw for example, or maybe even bring something back to the shop. But for others, maybe this is their only option and they want something more accurate like a shop saw.
Thanks for such informative blog writing which is helpful for woodworking lovers. I am a regular follower of your blog. I hope next time I will get more content about the circular saw. Hello, and thank you very much for taking the time to conduct this amazing review of job site table saws. I am torn between the new DeWalt saw and the Bosch Saw. I currently have the older model of the Bosch job site table saw and love it but its time for a replacement.
I wanted to know which saw you prefer and why? That concerns me as to when I am cutting a sheet of plywood or something else and could cause the wood to bind up. Was just curious if you could shed some light on those two saws and what you would personally use over the other and why?
Thank you again for all your hard work on this matter and I am looking forward to hearing back from you. Having said that, the Bosch saws are great. Hello, I recently got rid of my Bosch table saw and have been doing research on finding the best table saw for what I am doing. Based on your excellent evaluation of all these saws, I am going to go with the Dewalt. Is there any difference in the table saw now or is this just inflation?
Thank you. This is pretty much good table saw that satisfy me with it performance. Obiviously I love your review. It had the biggest drop in rpm going through tough timber. It did not increase the amp draw much. Unlike the skillsaw saw that did not slow as much and did not increase amp draw as much as the others.
To me the data says that the Hitachi slows down to struggle through tough timber and dose not do anything about it. The review was awesome. The testing really had impact on my product selection.
I will be using this in conjunction with building the Ron Paulk workbench and did not need the stand. Looking to replace my aging Shopsmith with select power tools. Keep up the excellent work. Many thanks and great job! Great Reviews and information. I watched the full video and you all are amazing and do great work. Really helpful for us.
Second… interesting comments relating to the Hitachi having issues. Third… Seems the Makita did very well, and consistently, yet no one unless I missed it went for this saw?
Makita is the one I most likely will go for… so will leave a post at a later date about it. I think that really is an issue to consider, as it was for many of us. Definitely a great saw though. That said, I get the impression that the Skilsaw was the most powerful. My question is, how well does the Skilsaw tune up and stay tuned? I have been running my Skilsaw now for about 3 months and it has been excellent. Also, if it did need tuning the access points to do so are extremely easy to use.
Yes, one could grouse about the no load speeds referenced, but no big deal in my view. The ranking and ratings of each category could be questioned in terms of weighting each of them but I think you all have given good data for us to make our own decision onwhich saw fits for our work flow. Again, many thanks for the great review. Someone asked me to read this for them to help them pick a new job site saw. Interesting read, but it appears that there is some erroneous data in the electrical report.
ALL of these saws are rate for 15 amps max and supplied with a cord that will connect only to a 15 amp outlet. Presumable, if correctly wired to a breaker, that will mean a 15 amp breaker as well. Not sure HOW you tested load, but it would imply that it was done very incorrectly and quite possible unsafely.
Under no circumstances whatsoever will a device EVER draw more than the breaker limitation. And at these current levels on the 14AWG wire, the wire would be significantly warm and in some cases potentially hot.
I have both the Delta and the SawStop, cut a piece of 1. Also, on the subject of flatness I have to agree with the commenters that it is more important as it cannot be adjusted. SawStop was awful about replacing mine until I made enough complaints that they finally caved in and replaced it. The new one is definitely better but not as good as the Delta for sure.
Just my 2 cents …. JT — First of all every saw was tested on a dedicated 20 amp circuit standard for work shops, garages, even outdoor outlets that contractors may connect to. For some reason they choose not to. Excellent article, thank you for all your hard work. Unfortunately pricing varies all the time. Trying to nail down a price for an article is nearly impossible.
I was so blown away buy your website that I sat up last night, read the whole thing on each saw. AND, I know your sponsors hope like hell to get business by participating with folks like Toolbuzz, so I actually signed up with Acme and determined that the DeWalt would be a good product for my Son. His focus is home projects so AMP draw lol… was an ultimate decision factor for me.
Thanks for the reply — after writing this, I was alerted to online stock Sawstop Cns Contractor 30 Outfeed Table of the Dewalt with an online retailer, so I was able to snatch one up before they sold out.
As you begin using the saw, there are little things that really show they took the time and thought the design out. Extraordinarily thorough reviews! I will definitely be subscribing to your YouTube channel and going back to watch all your videos. Donnie — Thanks for the kind words.
We from time to time to do a best value. The tough part is the tool industry is always changing at warp speed so by time we publish one of these there are new models coming out and everyone is on to the next best thing. I just want to thank all the staff for your thorough and fair review. I need a unit that is tough but at the same time can make accurate cuts every time with no fuss. Out of all the reviews about job site table saws, this one is by far the most technical.
Having owned a Makita job site saw for 20 years now, I decided it was time to buy a new one despite my current saw is still going strong. This decision was made after the DeWalt saw I had ordered was not able to be filled beacause of manufacturing issues. You are right, this saw is a beast!! An added miter gauge and a sled will come in due time. Tweaking the fence only took a few moments but the directions were illogical having to do with the folding table.
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Tool Reviews About Contact Advertise. Best Portable Jobsite Table Saw One of the most widely used power tools for carpenters is the table saw. Bosch Model 10 In. Related Posts No related posts. June 29, at am. Todd Fratzel. At any rate, we appreciate the input and hope we can keep you interested in our future testing.
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This is a very thorough comparison. July 5, at am. Hello, the AMP draw table is strange. Second the motor dows not run at max power all the time an therefore might last longer Reply. Dale Chayes. July 6, at am. That comment has not yet been published.
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Todd — Really great review. Two questions: 1. November 30, at pm. Dave — let me do some investigation and get back to you. Todd — I discovered an online manual for the SPT and was able to ferret out the answer to my first question, above. Dave Reply. December 6, at am. Done Reply. December 4, at am. Thomas Boyd. December 13, at am. Chris Marcolini. December 13, at pm. Good luck Chris! December 14, at pm.
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